Joe Songco (Outburst) interview originally published in In Effect fanzine, issue 1. (Click the picture for bigger size.)
Pics by Jessica Bard, The New York Hardcore Chronicles, Phil In Phlash.
Before A7 was A7, it was a social club for old Polish people. This tiny space opened on the south east corner of Avenue A and East Seventh Street in 1980, it was a heavy Puerto Rican neighborhood and those guys were heavily territorial. The after-hours club became a ground zero between 1981 and 1984 for the burgeoning hardcore scene, when Dave Gibson (owner of A7) started to organize hardcore bands. The club operated without a liquor license and was often raided by police.
Bands played from 1 am to sunrise for an underaged crowd, and the club was staffed by members of the NYHC scene, on a good night, Raybeez was doorman, Doug Holland bartened, and Jimmy Gestapo deejayed. Sometimes 8 or 10 bands played for 3 bucks, and there was a sheet of paper tacked on the wall with the names of all the bands playing that night. There was a couch in there and the room couldn’t have held more than 30 kids, many just listened on the sidewalk outside next to the building wall. There was already a reggae scene going on at A7 at the time, and jazz bands played there too. The space is now the back room of a bar called Niagra, part-owned by scene veteran Jesse Malin (Heart Attack). As you go into Niagara’s backroom you notice on the wall a plaque that reads: “A7 1980-1984, pioneers of American hardcore and the birthplace of NYHC”.
– A7 is the place where The Abused played their first gig, and Kevin Crowley (singer of The Abused) used to give haircuts to people in the bathroom.
– A7 is the place where hardcore kids were getting into a lot of fights bruising their hands up too much, so they started to wearing construction gloves to protect their hands.
– A7 is the place where Gilligan’s Revenge (pre-Token Entry) played their first show with Kraut on November 12th, 1982. Johnny Steigerwald was the oldest member in the band, he was 16 at that time.
– A7 is the place where SS Decontrol showed up with ski masks.
– A7 is the place where The Young And The Useless played horrible hardcore covers like “Grease” and “Billy, don’t be a hero”.
– A7 is the place where the bathroom had no lock on the door so you had to pee expecting some unwanted visitors. If you had to take a dump, you’d better not had been shy.
– A7 is the place where a spray-painted message was written right over the side door, “Out of town bands remember where you are!”.
– A7 is the place where one of the best footage ever created in the history of hardcore. The video starts out with two songs by the Psycho’s, features Roger Miret on bass and Jimmy Gestapo of Murphy’s Law on vocals for the first song. Both songs are Void covers (“Who Are You” and “Time to Die” is the second track). After that, Jimmy Gestapo introduces the band and after a few minutes of tuning up, Agnostic Front do the song “United Blood”. Dave Jones of Mental Abuse on drums, Todd Youth on bass, Stigma on guitar, Roger vocals.
– A7 is the place where Future Confusion (pre-Death Before Dishonor) gave their first show in 1981.
– A7 is the place where Roger Miret played with three different bands (Rat Poison Band(pre-Warzone), The Psychos, Agnostic Front) on the same night in November 12th, 1983.
(Originally released in Chiller Than Most fanzine, issue 5.)
Gene Melkisethian (Give) interview originally published in Chiller Than Most, issue 3.5. Pics by Susan, Brett Sweeney, Dan Gonyea, Tyler Ross.
CTM – How did you start playing drums, and who were your biggest influences growing up?
Gene – I started playing drums because there was a drum set in my attic and I was a curious little bugger. Influences are kind of hard to pinpoint, as I’m more into music in general than just trying to cop someone’s vibe. I saw Fugazi almost constantly from when I was six or seven years old until they stopped, so I heard a lot of Brendan’s drumming, and he’s a great drummer, so I’m sure that’s in the mix. A cassette I found at a very young age was the Bad Brains Roir cassette, and how can you not dig that? As a teen, Sammy Siegler was in every cool band, so when I was the same age he was a big influence. Besides that I really dig Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell, Vinny Appice, Bill Ward and like a million others.
CTM – Who are your favourite hardcore drummers? Who left the biggest impact on your drum style and why?
Gene – Earl Hudson is the correct answer to this question, but I think that Jeff Nelson is waaaaay overlooked. The good NY(area) guys are obvious: Mackie, Sammy, Drew Beat, Will Shepler. Real into the drumming on the best Integ releases, whoever did it??? Besides that, I’m into the razzmatazz of Chris Bratton- he knows how to put on a show. More modern? Justin DeTore is a machine, and Connor Donegan is a young dude that crushes it. Also Brandon Ferrell from a bunch of NC/VA bands was always fun to watch and super on point, Jonah from Fucked Up is also great. Some of these guys I don’t even know one song by the bands they play in, but I always grab an up front spot to watch them play. I might try to cop a good idea they execute, but I’m too hyperactive to actually learn anything from them, I just make shit up that sounds good with whatever song I’m working on. I’d probably be a lot better (and all of these guys slay me) if I cared about fine-tuning my skills.
CTM – You said in an interview that the lyrics celebrate individuality, free will and a pride in self that stems from personal choices rather than thinking in a group. Do you think it’s important for a band of individuals to all have the same beliefs? What do you think about John’s lyrics?
Gene – Having the same beliefs would be boring. We are all on the same page on a lot of things, but I think that comes from growing together as a unit. We all can learn from each other, and there are a bunch of brainiacs in the group, so we’re always arguing about current events or having political debates. I think John’s lyrics are very good. They are the right mix of simple generalities and detailed snapshots of life. They resonate with a wide variety of people, and stand for the good things: positivity, love, acceptance, tolerance, individuality and growth.
CTM – Looking back, how do you feel about the self titled 12 inch? What memories does it bring to you?
Gene – It’s a cool record, the band was in a constant state of flux and had like three false starts before that. We got in some stupid arguments over the intro track, but that honestly makes the record for me. The opening track is the last thing that the previous lineup did together, and then it busts into a song that kind of summarizes the next era of the band. We were finding our style and image, and we didn’t have it all there at the time. I conscripted Ian to move from bass to guitar because he can actually handle being in a band, and that’s something important to consider. It was also cool because Ben is such a good player (in a more typical mode) that Ian’s inexperience would help us to have a more creative vibe (and how many pics of him prancing about would be posted on the internet if he had a bass in his hand…..). So it was fun to do something new and ambitious and more in line with what I’ve always been working towards.
CTM – Do you feel like you accomplished something with this Electric Flower Circus record that you hadn’t done before on earlier releases?
Gene – It was an insane amount of tracking. We did like twenty songs almost. So that was something that I’d never done before. It was also cool to put it out ourselves. There are definitely things that I wish we had done differently, but that means that I care about it, and the fire is there to do something that’s hopefully “better” in the future.
CTM – What’s been your proudest moment in the band?
Gene – Who knows? It’s all fun. I love playing music, and these guys are great. We can all be giant babies about things, but that’s even fun at this point.
CTM – The Voodoo Leather cassette is probaly one of my most favorites. How would you describe this tape as far as music and lyrics?
Gene – It was all of the weird loose ends that we had hanging at the time. Ian and I are always trying to sell the other guys on our stupid riff-collections that aren’t really songs. I actually think that the music is really cool, but the recording doesn’t fit us. I also think that the lyrics aren’t as thought out as the other releases(with the giant exception of Voodoo Leather). That tape is like a glimpse into our practice space and showcases a side of the band that you might never see otherwise.
CTM – Give plays a style of DC punk mixing influences like Swiz and Rites of Spring with New Order and Soundgarden.Besides this the character/the attitude of what the band represents is totally hardcore. What makes a band a hardcore band in your eyes?
Gene – Who knows? That’s a tough question. On the good side, I see the bands in DC- lots of creative kids, lots of new faces. On the bad side I see bands in other places: conservative politics, sexism, homophobia, gang-mentalities, violence, glorifying the past above all else. Hardcore is our way of approaching things, always giving everything we’ve got when we play, not acting like rock stars- the usual shit, caring about the world and trying to make a difference- not giving in.
CTM – Lion of Judah were a really unique band, you were a little weird compared to the typical hardcore formulas and Give was creating something completely new too in the hardcore scene. What do you think of the state of hardcore music nowadays and the way a lot of bands have a very similar sound?
Gene – It’s the same as it will always be, lots of people that like the violent imagery and need a place to bully others and they’re too weak to be real criminals. On the flip there are people everywhere that want to be different and don’t fit in where they’re from. They need a place to go where they are respected for whoever they are, and they need people that will stick up for them. There are more people that are good than bad, and more people that want to create than destroy, so there are good things to look forward to. We just try to make music that we like and we hope to inspire others to do the same.
CTM – Do you find it difficult to create your own sound and your own identity?
Gene – Not at all.
CTM – It seems to me you are still enjoying the creative process, you are still full of new ideas. What goals do you still have for the band and what are you hoping the future holds?
Gene – More music, more songs, encouraging more diversity in the scene.
Spoiler (Justice) interview originally published in The Ghent Decontrol, issue 4.(Click the picture for bigger size.)
Intro – Things to check out in NYC, a hardcore-fanatic’s guide
A few years ago, one member of Death Before Dishonor asked: “Why are all the people posting about A7 club even most of you never been there before what’s going on here?”. To be honest, I thought a lot about this and I’m afraid the question missed the point. I truly believe that hardcore is still alive and well, but keeping the tradition is really important. Hardcore has a lot of history and I think it is relevant for the kids to know about the bands that came before them and influenced their current scenes. I really enjoyed the NYHC Chronicles documentary, it was fun to read the “New York Hardcore 1980-1990” book and “My Riot: Agnostic Front, Grit, Guts & Glory” book, despite I was never part of the early hardcore scene. I want to believe that these guys are happy that the new generations show interest in music from previous generations.
Everyone’s background in hardcore is relative. For me, I missed out on the first wave of New York hardcore and I missed the second wave too, I never went to A7 or some of the earlier clubs, I never saw the Psychos, Gilligan’s Revenge or Outburst live. I don’t have memories about these infamous places and legendary bands, for two simple reasons. Firstly, I’m in my thirties. Secondly, I was born in Europe and I’ve been living here since my birth. Regardless of these things, I feel a mystical connection and attraction to these places. Last year (2016) I got the chance to spend some days in New York City and make one of my bucket dreams come true, so needless to say, I visited and explored these legendary locations… (Originally released in Chiller Than Most fanzine, issue 5.)